Kinship Concealed
Is it true that Kinship Concealed has been shown to be fraudulent? If so
how was that determined?
Frank King
I have not heard that. But I am interested. Does anyone know?
Loren Johns
Stuart, FL
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Is it true that Kinship Concealed has been shown to be fraudulent? If so how was that determined?
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It is not true. Mast descendants on both sides, that of Jacob and John,
have confirmed the story.
John
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It is true. Dwight Roth is the brother of my sister in law. We've known about this story for many years.
Richard Lichty
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I have not heard that. But I am interested. Does anyone know?
Loren JohnsStuart, FL
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Do we have some cross-speak here? Is the story about the kinship true ...
or false ... or is the story that the whole thing is fraudulent true ... or
false?
I think everyone is saying that the story about the kinship is true and
that the claim that it is fraudulent is false.
Is that right?
Loren L. Johns
Stuart, Florida
"I will accept no bull from your house." --Ps. 50:9, RSV
On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 10:18 AM Richard Lichty rmlichty@verizon.net wrote:
It is true. Dwight Roth is the brother of my sister in law. We've known
about this story for many years.
Richard Lichty
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I have not heard that. But I am interested. Does anyone know?
Loren Johns
Stuart, FL
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Is it true that Kinship Concealed has been shown to be fraudulent? If so
how was that determined?
Frank King
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My name is Dot Mast Moss.It seems severe to call Kinship Concealed
"fraudulent." I would agree with the authors, Dwight and Sharon, that the
book was "fictionalized" as they stated at the beginning of the book.The
issue is separating fact from fiction.
I am currently writing a book with one of the Mast slave descendants named
Archie Rison. Archie and I were introduced when we were both doing research
about the Mast slaves at Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches,
Texas. Archie is a descendant of John Mast, one of the slaves
mentioned in Mast
Family History. His family had never heard of Charlie Mast or knew any of
Sharon's family. Archie wanted to know if Charlie Mast was an ancestor. He
encouraged many people to take DNA. The results so far are that Archie's
family does not share DNA with Sharon's family. Neither of the Black Mast
families share DNA with the white Mast family including those in Texas and
including me.
Although Archie and I began our friendship just researching for the fun of
it, we now are on a mission to write the stories of his ancestors. We talk
every week and we go on research trips together. We are friends with the
white Texas Masts who help us with our research. We call each other cousins
just for fun.
We even found connections between some of his relatives and my Yoder and
Troyer relatives from Ohio. It is indeed a small world.
Dot
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Is it true that Kinship Concealed has been shown to be fraudulent? If so
how was that determined?
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Good Evening James,
I thought Dot Moss did an excellent job responding about the book Kinship Concealed question sent to SAGA, and wonder if I missed seeing it posted on the SAGA mail list? Since the question came from the SAGA email list, am I wrong to think that the answer will be posted on that list?
Thanks again for all the effort and work you put into SAGA. We are looking forward to seeing you in Goshen!
Lois Ann and Lemar Mast
On Mar 6, 2025, at 1:41 PM, Dot Moss via List list@maillist.saga-omii.org wrote:
My name is Dot Mast Moss.It seems severe to call Kinship Concealed "fraudulent." I would agree with the authors, Dwight and Sharon, that the book was "fictionalized" as they stated at the beginning of the book.The issue is separating fact from fiction.
I am currently writing a book with one of the Mast slave descendants named Archie Rison. Archie and I were introduced when we were both doing research about the Mast slaves at Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, Texas. Archie is a descendant of John Mast, one of the slaves mentioned in Mast Family History. His family had never heard of Charlie Mast or knew any of Sharon's family. Archie wanted to know if Charlie Mast was an ancestor. He encouraged many people to take DNA. The results so far are that Archie's family does not share DNA with Sharon's family. Neither of the Black Mast families share DNA with the white Mast family including those in Texas and including me.
Although Archie and I began our friendship just researching for the fun of it, we now are on a mission to write the stories of his ancestors. We talk every week and we go on research trips together. We are friends with the white Texas Masts who help us with our research. We call each other cousins just for fun.
We even found connections between some of his relatives and my Yoder and Troyer relatives from Ohio. It is indeed a small world.
Dot
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Just in case everyone did not see or read Dot Moss's response to the inquiry about "Kinship Concealed "fraudulent."
Hoosierly Yours,
James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217
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Question Critically, Think Logically, Communicate Clearly, Act Creatively, Live Ethically.
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Dot Moss via List list@maillist.saga-omii.orgTo: Frank King frangiek@gmail.comCc: "list@maillist.saga-omii.org" list@maillist.saga-omii.orgSent: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 01:42:59 PM ESTSubject: [List] Re: Kinship Concealed
My name is Dot Mast Moss.It seems severe to call Kinship Concealed "fraudulent." I would agree with the authors, Dwight and Sharon, that the book was "fictionalized" as they stated at the beginning of the book.The issue is separating fact from fiction.
I am currently writing a book with one of the Mast slave descendants named Archie Rison. Archie and I were introduced when we were both doing research about the Mast slaves at Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, Texas. Archie is a descendant of John Mast, one of the slaves mentioned in Mast Family History. His family had never heard of Charlie Mast or knew any of Sharon's family. Archie wanted to know if Charlie Mast was an ancestor. He encouraged many people to take DNA. The results so far are that Archie's family does not share DNA with Sharon's family. Neither of the Black Mast families share DNA with the white Mast family including those in Texas and including me.
Although Archie and I began our friendship just researching for the fun of it, we now are on a mission to write the stories of his ancestors. We talk every week and we go on research trips together. We are friends with the white Texas Masts who help us with our research. We call each other cousins just for fun.
We even found connections between some of his relatives and my Yoder and Troyer relatives from Ohio. It is indeed a small world.
Dot
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Got it.
Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
On Sunday, March 9, 2025, 04:59, James G. Hermsen via List list@maillist.saga-omii.org wrote:
Just in case everyone did not see or read Dot Moss's response to the inquiry about "Kinship Concealed "fraudulent."
Hoosierly Yours,
James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217
317-881-4600 main
317-679-1466 cell
Question Critically, Think Logically, Communicate Clearly, Act Creatively, Live Ethically.
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Dot Moss via List list@maillist.saga-omii.orgTo: Frank King frangiek@gmail.comCc: "list@maillist.saga-omii.org" list@maillist.saga-omii.orgSent: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 01:42:59 PM ESTSubject: [List] Re: Kinship Concealed
My name is Dot Mast Moss.It seems severe to call Kinship Concealed "fraudulent." I would agree with the authors, Dwight and Sharon, that the book was "fictionalized" as they stated at the beginning of the book.The issue is separating fact from fiction.
I am currently writing a book with one of the Mast slave descendants named Archie Rison. Archie and I were introduced when we were both doing research about the Mast slaves at Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, Texas. Archie is a descendant of John Mast, one of the slaves mentioned in Mast Family History. His family had never heard of Charlie Mast or knew any of Sharon's family. Archie wanted to know if Charlie Mast was an ancestor. He encouraged many people to take DNA. The results so far are that Archie's family does not share DNA with Sharon's family. Neither of the Black Mast families share DNA with the white Mast family including those in Texas and including me.
Although Archie and I began our friendship just researching for the fun of it, we now are on a mission to write the stories of his ancestors. We talk every week and we go on research trips together. We are friends with the white Texas Masts who help us with our research. We call each other cousins just for fun.
We even found connections between some of his relatives and my Yoder and Troyer relatives from Ohio. It is indeed a small world.
Dot
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You should consider having male members of the various Mast lines to take a Y-DNA test. The normal (autosomal) DNA test (which is what Ancestry.com or 23andMe.com uses) only goes back about about 6 or 7 generations with any accuracy. Y-DNA tests go back arbitrarily far.
Regards,
-- Jeff
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Got it.
Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
On Sunday, March 9, 2025, 04:59, James G. Hermsen via List <list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote:
Just in case everyone did not see or read Dot Moss's response to the inquiry about "Kinship Concealed "fraudulent."
Hoosierly Yours,
James G. Hermsen
8108 Laura Lynne Lane
Indianapolis, IN 46217317-881-4600 main
317-679-1466 cellQuestion Critically, Think Logically, Communicate Clearly, Act Creatively, Live Ethically.
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Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 01:42:59 PM EST
Subject: [List] Re: Kinship Concealed
My name is Dot Mast Moss.It seems severe to call Kinship Concealed "fraudulent." I would agree with the authors, Dwight and Sharon, that the book was "fictionalized" as they stated at the beginning of the book.The issue is separating fact from fiction.
I am currently writing a book with one of the Mast slave descendants named Archie Rison. Archie and I were introduced when we were both doing research about the Mast slaves at Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, Texas. Archie is a descendant of John Mast, one of the slaves mentioned in Mast Family History. His family had never heard of Charlie Mast or knew any of Sharon's family. Archie wanted to know if Charlie Mast was an ancestor. He encouraged many people to take DNA. The results so far are that Archie's family does not share DNA with Sharon's family. Neither of the Black Mast families share DNA with the white Mast family including those in Texas and including me.
Although Archie and I began our friendship just researching for the fun of it, we now are on a mission to write the stories of his ancestors. We talk every week and we go on research trips together. We are friends with the white Texas Masts who help us with our research. We call each other cousins just for fun.
We even found connections between some of his relatives and my Yoder and Troyer relatives from Ohio. It is indeed a small world.
Dot
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Is it true that Kinship Concealed has been shown to be fraudulent? If so how was that determined?
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