In a follow up reply I made to Merle Christner today, he had questioned the two very different death dates for Barbara Yoder married to Elias Beachy.  It seems that all the databases but one use Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies as their date source which is February 6, 1865.  Loren Johns used 1864.  Loren used  OneWorldTree. Ancestry.com. One World Tree (sm) [database online]. Provo, UT: MyFamily.com, Incas his source. In researching which date is most likely to be accurate, I discovered that the 1860 US Census have both Elias and Barbara in it recorded October 4, 1860 which makes it impossible for Barbara to have died in 1854.   As many of our databases now appear to have the error of 1854, I wanted to make sure this information is shared and updated.   Hoosierly Yours, James G. Hermsen 8108 Laura Lynne Lane Indianapolis, IN 46217 317-881-4600 main 317-679-1466 cell Question Critically, Think Logically, Communicate Clearly, Act Creatively, Live Ethically.

I no longer consider OneWorldTree to be reliable and haven't used it for years. I have changed mine to 6 Feb 1865. Loren L. Johns Sarasota, Florida ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "I will accept no bull from your house." --Ps. 50:9, RSV On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 11:21 AM James G. Hermsen via List < list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > In a follow up reply I made to Merle Christner today, he had questioned > the two very different death dates for Barbara Yoder married to Elias > Beachy. It seems that all the databases but one use Amish and Amish > Mennonite Genealogies as their date source which is February 6, 1865. > Loren Johns used 1864. Loren used > OneWorldTree. > Ancestry.com. One World Tree (sm) [database online]. Provo, UT: > MyFamily.com, Inc > as his source. > > In researching which date is most likely to be accurate, I discovered that > the 1860 US Census have both Elias and Barbara in it recorded October 4, > 1860 which makes it impossible for Barbara to have died in 1854. > > As many of our databases now appear to have the error of 1854, I wanted to > make sure this information is shared and updated. > > [image: Inline image] > > Hoosierly Yours, > > *James G. Hermsen* > 8108 Laura Lynne Lane > Indianapolis, IN 46217 > > 317-881-4600 main > 317-679-1466 cell > > *Question Critically, Think Logically, Communicate Clearly, Act > Creatively, Live Ethically.* > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org > To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >

We're getting things confused here between corrections and typos! As James has indicated in a followup message, the most common death date reported is Feb. 6, 1854 (not 1865--typo in his first message). Feb. 6, 1854 is the date reported in *The Memorial History of Peter Bitsche* (1892) #272. This source does not report a death place for Barbara, but mentions New Bedford [Coshocton Co.), Ohio as Elias's then current residence. At the Gingerich & Kreider entry for YR26112 Barbara (p. 516 of 1st ed.), G&K leave the death date for Barbara blank, but cite MHPB and the 1860 census. This suggests to me that they noticed the discrepancy James points out: Barbara is clearly listed with Elias in the 1860 census so an 1854 death date for Barbara is almost surely wrong. Back under Elias Beachy BC136 (p. 6 of G&K 1st ed.), however, G&K did report the 2/6/1854 Holmes Co. Ohio death date for Barbara--citing Descendants of Barbara Hostetler 2345 (publ. 1938). DBH specifically states Barbara lived at New Bedford, OH at the time of her death--so either misinterpreting MHPB or "enhancing" the information for some other reason. (I still remain amazed at the high level of accuracy achieved by G&K's first edition--done before the convenience of online access to many basic records, and still produced from typewritten, unsearchable drafts!) I definitely agree with Loren that One Family Tree is not a reliable source, still there seems to be good reason for at least stating that Barbara died after Oct. 8, 1860. As no doubt Loren and James also have done, I did some searching for confirmation of Barbara's burial in Garrett Co., MD (in the 1860s still Allegheny Co., MD), but without success. Perhaps someone with access to the Garrett Co. DAR cemetery index and update volume can report back on whether there is information? (Of course, whether and how an 1860s farm grave would have been marked, and whether that marker would still be legible is up in the air!) Joe Springer On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 6:07 PM Loren Johns via List < list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > I no longer consider OneWorldTree to be reliable and haven't used it for > years. I have changed mine to 6 Feb 1865. > > Loren L. Johns > Sarasota, Florida > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "I will accept no bull from your house." --Ps. 50:9, RSV > > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 11:21 AM James G. Hermsen via List < > list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > >> In a follow up reply I made to Merle Christner today, he had questioned >> the two very different death dates for Barbara Yoder married to Elias >> Beachy. It seems that all the databases but one use Amish and Amish >> Mennonite Genealogies as their date source which is February 6, 1865. >> Loren Johns used 1864. Loren used >> OneWorldTree. >> Ancestry.com. One World Tree (sm) [database online]. Provo, UT: >> MyFamily.com, Inc >> as his source. >> >> In researching which date is most likely to be accurate, I discovered >> that the 1860 US Census have both Elias and Barbara in it recorded October >> 4, 1860 which makes it impossible for Barbara to have died in 1854. >> >> As many of our databases now appear to have the error of 1854, I wanted >> to make sure this information is shared and updated. >> >> [image: Inline image] >> >> Hoosierly Yours, >> >> *James G. Hermsen* >> 8108 Laura Lynne Lane >> Indianapolis, IN 46217 >> >> 317-881-4600 main >> 317-679-1466 cell >> >> *Question Critically, Think Logically, Communicate Clearly, Act >> Creatively, Live Ethically.* >> _______________________________________________ >> List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >> > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org > To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >

As I had emailed to both Loren and James, I was at the site of Elias and Barbara's farm in Garrett (Allegany) County just outside of Grantsville several years ago and saw Barbara's tombstone. I don't know if I can put attachments on the list serve but if anyone is interested I can send you photos of the tombstone, the 1960 Census where Barbara and Elias are listed in Allegany (Garret) County and a copy of the page out of the book *The Beachy Family Our American Roots. * Merle Christner On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 2:44 PM Joe Springer via List < list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > We're getting things confused here between corrections and typos! > > As James has indicated in a followup message, the most common death date > reported is Feb. 6, 1854 (not 1865--typo in his first message). > Feb. 6, 1854 is the date reported in *The Memorial History of Peter > Bitsche* (1892) #272. This source does not report a death place for > Barbara, but mentions New Bedford [Coshocton Co.), Ohio as Elias's then > current residence. > At the Gingerich & Kreider entry for YR26112 Barbara (p. 516 of 1st ed.), > G&K leave the death date for Barbara blank, but cite MHPB and the 1860 > census. This suggests to me that they noticed the discrepancy James points > out: Barbara is clearly listed with Elias in the 1860 census so an 1854 > death date for Barbara is almost surely wrong. > Back under Elias Beachy BC136 (p. 6 of G&K 1st ed.), however, G&K did > report the 2/6/1854 Holmes Co. Ohio death date for Barbara--citing > Descendants of Barbara Hostetler 2345 (publ. 1938). DBH specifically states > Barbara lived at New Bedford, OH at the time of her death--so either > misinterpreting MHPB or "enhancing" the information for some other reason. > (I still remain amazed at the high level of accuracy achieved by G&K's > first edition--done before the convenience of online access to many basic > records, and still produced from typewritten, unsearchable drafts!) > > I definitely agree with Loren that One Family Tree is not a reliable > source, still there seems to be good reason for at least stating that > Barbara died after Oct. 8, 1860. As no doubt Loren and James also have > done, I did some searching for confirmation of Barbara's burial in Garrett > Co., MD (in the 1860s still Allegheny Co., MD), but without success. > Perhaps someone with access to the Garrett Co. DAR cemetery index and > update volume can report back on whether there is information? (Of course, > whether and how an 1860s farm grave would have been marked, and whether > that marker would still be legible is up in the air!) > > Joe Springer > > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 6:07 PM Loren Johns via List < > list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > >> I no longer consider OneWorldTree to be reliable and haven't used it for >> years. I have changed mine to 6 Feb 1865. >> >> Loren L. Johns >> Sarasota, Florida >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> "I will accept no bull from your house." --Ps. 50:9, RSV >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 11:21 AM James G. Hermsen via List < >> list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: >> >>> In a follow up reply I made to Merle Christner today, he had questioned >>> the two very different death dates for Barbara Yoder married to Elias >>> Beachy. It seems that all the databases but one use Amish and Amish >>> Mennonite Genealogies as their date source which is February 6, 1865. >>> Loren Johns used 1864. Loren used >>> OneWorldTree. >>> Ancestry.com. One World Tree (sm) [database online]. Provo, UT: >>> MyFamily.com, Inc >>> as his source. >>> >>> In researching which date is most likely to be accurate, I discovered >>> that the 1860 US Census have both Elias and Barbara in it recorded October >>> 4, 1860 which makes it impossible for Barbara to have died in 1854. >>> >>> As many of our databases now appear to have the error of 1854, I wanted >>> to make sure this information is shared and updated. >>> >>> [image: Inline image] >>> >>> Hoosierly Yours, >>> >>> *James G. Hermsen* >>> 8108 Laura Lynne Lane >>> Indianapolis, IN 46217 >>> >>> 317-881-4600 main >>> 317-679-1466 cell >>> >>> *Question Critically, Think Logically, Communicate Clearly, Act >>> Creatively, Live Ethically.* >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >> > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org > To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >

Merle, please send me the photos, census, and book page. Thanks, -- Jeff -- *Dr. Jeffrey S. Vitter* +1 (504) 810-7610 jeffvitter@gmail.com | www.vitter.org On Sat, Jan 3, 2026 at 9:57 AM Merle Christner via List < list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > As I had emailed to both Loren and James, I was at the site of Elias and > Barbara's farm in Garrett (Allegany) County just outside of Grantsville > several years ago and saw Barbara's tombstone. I don't know if I can put > attachments on the list serve but if anyone is interested I can send you > photos of the tombstone, the 1960 Census where Barbara and Elias are listed > in Allegany (Garret) County and a copy of the page out of the book *The > Beachy Family Our American Roots. * > > Merle Christner > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 2:44 PM Joe Springer via List < > list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > >> We're getting things confused here between corrections and typos! >> >> As James has indicated in a followup message, the most common death date >> reported is Feb. 6, 1854 (not 1865--typo in his first message). >> Feb. 6, 1854 is the date reported in *The Memorial History of Peter >> Bitsche* (1892) #272. This source does not report a death place for >> Barbara, but mentions New Bedford [Coshocton Co.), Ohio as Elias's then >> current residence. >> At the Gingerich & Kreider entry for YR26112 Barbara (p. 516 of 1st ed.), >> G&K leave the death date for Barbara blank, but cite MHPB and the 1860 >> census. This suggests to me that they noticed the discrepancy James points >> out: Barbara is clearly listed with Elias in the 1860 census so an 1854 >> death date for Barbara is almost surely wrong. >> Back under Elias Beachy BC136 (p. 6 of G&K 1st ed.), however, G&K did >> report the 2/6/1854 Holmes Co. Ohio death date for Barbara--citing >> Descendants of Barbara Hostetler 2345 (publ. 1938). DBH specifically states >> Barbara lived at New Bedford, OH at the time of her death--so either >> misinterpreting MHPB or "enhancing" the information for some other reason. >> (I still remain amazed at the high level of accuracy achieved by G&K's >> first edition--done before the convenience of online access to many basic >> records, and still produced from typewritten, unsearchable drafts!) >> >> I definitely agree with Loren that One Family Tree is not a reliable >> source, still there seems to be good reason for at least stating that >> Barbara died after Oct. 8, 1860. As no doubt Loren and James also have >> done, I did some searching for confirmation of Barbara's burial in Garrett >> Co., MD (in the 1860s still Allegheny Co., MD), but without success. >> Perhaps someone with access to the Garrett Co. DAR cemetery index and >> update volume can report back on whether there is information? (Of course, >> whether and how an 1860s farm grave would have been marked, and whether >> that marker would still be legible is up in the air!) >> >> Joe Springer >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 6:07 PM Loren Johns via List < >> list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: >> >>> I no longer consider OneWorldTree to be reliable and haven't used it for >>> years. I have changed mine to 6 Feb 1865. >>> >>> Loren L. Johns >>> Sarasota, Florida >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> "I will accept no bull from your house." --Ps. 50:9, RSV >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 11:21 AM James G. Hermsen via List < >>> list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: >>> >>>> In a follow up reply I made to Merle Christner today, he had questioned >>>> the two very different death dates for Barbara Yoder married to Elias >>>> Beachy. It seems that all the databases but one use Amish and Amish >>>> Mennonite Genealogies as their date source which is February 6, 1865. >>>> Loren Johns used 1864. Loren used >>>> OneWorldTree. >>>> Ancestry.com. One World Tree (sm) [database online]. Provo, UT: >>>> MyFamily.com, Inc >>>> as his source. >>>> >>>> In researching which date is most likely to be accurate, I discovered >>>> that the 1860 US Census have both Elias and Barbara in it recorded October >>>> 4, 1860 which makes it impossible for Barbara to have died in 1854. >>>> >>>> As many of our databases now appear to have the error of 1854, I wanted >>>> to make sure this information is shared and updated. >>>> >>>> [image: Inline image] >>>> >>>> Hoosierly Yours, >>>> >>>> *James G. Hermsen* >>>> 8108 Laura Lynne Lane >>>> Indianapolis, IN 46217 >>>> >>>> 317-881-4600 main >>>> 317-679-1466 cell >>>> >>>> *Question Critically, Think Logically, Communicate Clearly, Act >>>> Creatively, Live Ethically.* >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >> > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org > To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >

Merle, please send me the photos, census, and book page. Thanks, -- Jeff -- *Dr. Jeffrey S. Vitter* +1 (504) 810-7610 <jsv@vitter.org>jeffvitter@gmail.com | www.vitter.org On Sat, Jan 3, 2026 at 9:57 AM Merle Christner via List < list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > As I had emailed to both Loren and James, I was at the site of Elias and > Barbara's farm in Garrett (Allegany) County just outside of Grantsville > several years ago and saw Barbara's tombstone. I don't know if I can put > attachments on the list serve but if anyone is interested I can send you > photos of the tombstone, the 1960 Census where Barbara and Elias are listed > in Allegany (Garret) County and a copy of the page out of the book *The > Beachy Family Our American Roots. * > > Merle Christner > >

Dates for Barbara Yoder: In the 2007 edition with "additions and corrections" of Gingerich and Kreider, the following dates for Barbara Yoder wife of Elias Beachy are on page 590: Barbara SP 6/3/1808-2/6/1864 GM SP: Somerset County, Pennsylvania GM: Garrett County, Maryland Dot Mast Moss On Sat, Jan 3, 2026 at 10:56 AM Merle Christner via List < list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > As I had emailed to both Loren and James, I was at the site of Elias and > Barbara's farm in Garrett (Allegany) County just outside of Grantsville > several years ago and saw Barbara's tombstone. I don't know if I can put > attachments on the list serve but if anyone is interested I can send you > photos of the tombstone, the 1960 Census where Barbara and Elias are listed > in Allegany (Garret) County and a copy of the page out of the book *The > Beachy Family Our American Roots. * > > Merle Christner > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 2:44 PM Joe Springer via List < > list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: > >> We're getting things confused here between corrections and typos! >> >> As James has indicated in a followup message, the most common death date >> reported is Feb. 6, 1854 (not 1865--typo in his first message). >> Feb. 6, 1854 is the date reported in *The Memorial History of Peter >> Bitsche* (1892) #272. This source does not report a death place for >> Barbara, but mentions New Bedford [Coshocton Co.), Ohio as Elias's then >> current residence. >> At the Gingerich & Kreider entry for YR26112 Barbara (p. 516 of 1st ed.), >> G&K leave the death date for Barbara blank, but cite MHPB and the 1860 >> census. This suggests to me that they noticed the discrepancy James points >> out: Barbara is clearly listed with Elias in the 1860 census so an 1854 >> death date for Barbara is almost surely wrong. >> Back under Elias Beachy BC136 (p. 6 of G&K 1st ed.), however, G&K did >> report the 2/6/1854 Holmes Co. Ohio death date for Barbara--citing >> Descendants of Barbara Hostetler 2345 (publ. 1938). DBH specifically states >> Barbara lived at New Bedford, OH at the time of her death--so either >> misinterpreting MHPB or "enhancing" the information for some other reason. >> (I still remain amazed at the high level of accuracy achieved by G&K's >> first edition--done before the convenience of online access to many basic >> records, and still produced from typewritten, unsearchable drafts!) >> >> I definitely agree with Loren that One Family Tree is not a reliable >> source, still there seems to be good reason for at least stating that >> Barbara died after Oct. 8, 1860. As no doubt Loren and James also have >> done, I did some searching for confirmation of Barbara's burial in Garrett >> Co., MD (in the 1860s still Allegheny Co., MD), but without success. >> Perhaps someone with access to the Garrett Co. DAR cemetery index and >> update volume can report back on whether there is information? (Of course, >> whether and how an 1860s farm grave would have been marked, and whether >> that marker would still be legible is up in the air!) >> >> Joe Springer >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 6:07 PM Loren Johns via List < >> list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: >> >>> I no longer consider OneWorldTree to be reliable and haven't used it for >>> years. I have changed mine to 6 Feb 1865. >>> >>> Loren L. Johns >>> Sarasota, Florida >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> "I will accept no bull from your house." --Ps. 50:9, RSV >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 11:21 AM James G. Hermsen via List < >>> list@maillist.saga-omii.org> wrote: >>> >>>> In a follow up reply I made to Merle Christner today, he had questioned >>>> the two very different death dates for Barbara Yoder married to Elias >>>> Beachy. It seems that all the databases but one use Amish and Amish >>>> Mennonite Genealogies as their date source which is February 6, 1865. >>>> Loren Johns used 1864. Loren used >>>> OneWorldTree. >>>> Ancestry.com. One World Tree (sm) [database online]. Provo, UT: >>>> MyFamily.com, Inc >>>> as his source. >>>> >>>> In researching which date is most likely to be accurate, I discovered >>>> that the 1860 US Census have both Elias and Barbara in it recorded October >>>> 4, 1860 which makes it impossible for Barbara to have died in 1854. >>>> >>>> As many of our databases now appear to have the error of 1854, I wanted >>>> to make sure this information is shared and updated. >>>> >>>> [image: Inline image] >>>> >>>> Hoosierly Yours, >>>> >>>> *James G. Hermsen* >>>> 8108 Laura Lynne Lane >>>> Indianapolis, IN 46217 >>>> >>>> 317-881-4600 main >>>> 317-679-1466 cell >>>> >>>> *Question Critically, Think Logically, Communicate Clearly, Act >>>> Creatively, Live Ethically.* >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >> > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list -- list@maillist.saga-omii.org > To unsubscribe send an email to list-leave@maillist.saga-omii.org >